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TorqueWrench10's avatar

Pascal starts out the Pensees discussing the intuitive and mathematical (analytical) mind. I think many of our failures in communication are rooted in our cultural defanging of intuition. We confuse it with mere “feeling” about which facts don’t care (speaking of, what I believe, is failed rhetoric).

Pascal basically says that one can’t stand in for the other, you need both and they have their spheres. There are even attempts to take intuition and somehow turn it into analysis which always comes off weird anyway.

That being said we need to make sure if we fail it’s because of human free will not just because we thought ourselves too good to think about rhetoric or persuasion.

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Felton's avatar

These strategies are important but cannot always overcome reality, you don't want to be the "fiery but peaceful protests" guy trying to maintain a frame that is falling apart in front of you. I was surprised at some of the most recent arguments in defense of Israel's attacks on Gaza which have focused on debating the legal definition of genocide. These are the most ineffective pro-Israel arguments I have seen but the sort of frames that worked in the past are not going to convince younger people who are much more familiar with the conflict.

"Challenging frames can be very difficult because once a frame becomes hegemonic in society, you can suffer significant consequences for rejecting it."

Interesting to see that people on the wrong side of a dominant frame have had some modest success in relitigating once the ability to enforce the frame diminishes. The Iraq war, Covid mitigations and the rape gangs scandal in the UK are some examples.

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