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Jack's avatar

Aaron, please keep writing about mens' issues. You are one of very few influencers who have good takes on this topic, and it's the main reason why I'm a subscriber.

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Benjamin L. Mabry's avatar

Burge's arguments are talking past the diagnosis of the Mainliners. Yes, there are lots of people, many of them seniors, who are theologically and politically conservative within the Mainline churches. I have close family members who are those people. The point, however, is that these people are inert within these churches.

I have Episcopal family members, attended Episcopal churches for over ten years, and even was an employee of Bishop Jenkins of Louisiana for a while. I know these people, lived with them, and heard it all. When New Hampshire elected Gene Robinson, do you know what several people told me? "It's just those Yankee Episcopals. We Southerners have common sense. They're troublemakers and enjoy causing controversy. Ignore it or you're giving them what they want." They did nothing, and the disease spread.

There are two countervailing motions in the liberal Mainline. When people become too liberal, they drop out of the Mainline Churches to become Nones. This causes the laity to begin trending right. However, the remainder happens to also be rather old as younger people have less attachment to the Mainline denominations and convert out to Catholicism and Evangelicism. We've seen a balancing point over the last couple of decades where the theological conservatives are dying as fast as the theological liberals are apostatizing. This is a recipe for inertia. Old folks aren't going to fight a battle to reclaim their denomination, young folks exit left and right, and the remainders are those who have institutional interests and salaries.

What about that young fellow and his reconquista? We've seen what happens when the laity revolt. They get their church sold out from under them. The Mainline Churches are utterly dominated by their ecclesiastical bureaucracy to the point that they don't even own their places of worship like most Evangelical churches do. Look at the disaster of the UMC breakup. As much as I complain about the SBC, at least we own our church. At least I can talk to the people in charge and have a chance at convincing them to change without running into lawsuits from some real estate portfolio run by a coven of lesbian deacons. That's what deceptive about Burge's numbers. It doesn't matter if it becomes 66% or 75% Republican. Episcopal laity are locked out, plain and simple. I've seen it with my own eyes. Bishop Jenkins tried to sell off my great-grandfather's church and give the money to one of the precursors to BLM. Luckily, he was diagnosed before he went through with it and stepped down before putting ink to paper. Not everybody is so lucky to have their bishop diagnosed as mentally ill, despite the fact that most of them are.

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