When I was in high school in the mid 1960s, it was an all boys day school, but the student culture compensated by making it so that you should try to have a girl o n your arm in every social situation. I call it “Noah’s Ark society.” There were risks to this, but adults generally went along because in public, boys with girls tend to be better behaved than boys without girls. Maybe not in the back seat of a car, if you get my drift, but behind the wheel for sure!
"They were perhaps more worried what other men thought of them than what women did. They had their own projects and plans." RETVRN
On the one hand, the validation of belonging to and earning a presence in male spaces has been wholly delegitimized. It doesn't even matter what other men think of you. While the validation a man gets from a woman has been made simultaneously much more difficult and made much more varied (not just romance) and important.
I would concur with this although I don’t spend a lot of time in blog realms which seems like a waste of time in itself. And as an aside, when I was single it appeared that women were most interested in men that didn’t pay that much attention to them. Now maybe that’s changed in the last 40 years, but I would wager that it is still true. Women love a challenge too.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Rather than being too obsessed with what women are doing, I think men online are obsessed with the wrong areas of female behaviour. The entire red pill space basically concerns itself with female dating behaviour, which is the least problematic area. It seems to be mainly men who are bitter at being ignored on dating apps, while being unwilling to court women in real life. However, the problematic area of female behaviour isn't dating, it is political feminism, and the feminist-driven spread of defacto female quotas in many areas, subsidies for female-only activities and health issues, systematic breaking down of male-spaces by lawfare and shaming and political action, passing of unfair divorce laws etc. At some point, a real open fight by men against political feminism will be required if we are going to save ourselves from literal extinction due to low birthrate and collapse of the family. Most male commentators have absolutely shirked that fight so far, leaving the manosphere to whine about women's romantic expectations.
Good advice. But we have to think about how to balance it with the criticism of the church's "season of singleness" talk that seems designed to reconcile young people to growing old without ever hunting for a spouse. Your wife isn't going to drop out of the sky.
I think if your singleness is eating at you (and why wouldn't it be?), then by all means invest time and energy into productive behaviors with the aim of eventually finding a wife. But have other interests as well, and recognize the difference between productive wife-hunting and useless self-defeating behaviors, like dwelling on why it's so hard to find a good wife and how the deck is hopelessly stacked against you. Finding a good wife was a non-trivial challenge in the olden days as well (Proverbs 31:10: "Who can find a virtuous woman? For her price is far above rubies.") Aaron correctly identifies that online pity parties like MGTOW aren't worth wasting your time on.
Also agree with the value of finding men's spaces. Society has attacked them, but my life still revolves heavily around them. F3 remains an excellent men's space, and a great alternative to a gym, where IMO there's something unnatural produced by men and women sharing the space.
2. This map makes "lower Appalachia" (TN, KY) look great, along with FL and the Mountain West. NY/PA are almost all bad. Almost all of the Plains States from TX to ND are sharply divided - strong gains in some places, strong losses elsewhere.
That is very much on-topic. Caltech's displacement of men isn't an accident, it is due to feminist political action. Men need to step up and fight these women if we are to have a future.
Thanks for this. I'm not part of the manosphere, but this is a timely word for me as I've been wrestling with the whole dating and singleness thing lately.
When I was in high school in the mid 1960s, it was an all boys day school, but the student culture compensated by making it so that you should try to have a girl o n your arm in every social situation. I call it “Noah’s Ark society.” There were risks to this, but adults generally went along because in public, boys with girls tend to be better behaved than boys without girls. Maybe not in the back seat of a car, if you get my drift, but behind the wheel for sure!
"They were perhaps more worried what other men thought of them than what women did. They had their own projects and plans." RETVRN
On the one hand, the validation of belonging to and earning a presence in male spaces has been wholly delegitimized. It doesn't even matter what other men think of you. While the validation a man gets from a woman has been made simultaneously much more difficult and made much more varied (not just romance) and important.
I would concur with this although I don’t spend a lot of time in blog realms which seems like a waste of time in itself. And as an aside, when I was single it appeared that women were most interested in men that didn’t pay that much attention to them. Now maybe that’s changed in the last 40 years, but I would wager that it is still true. Women love a challenge too.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Rather than being too obsessed with what women are doing, I think men online are obsessed with the wrong areas of female behaviour. The entire red pill space basically concerns itself with female dating behaviour, which is the least problematic area. It seems to be mainly men who are bitter at being ignored on dating apps, while being unwilling to court women in real life. However, the problematic area of female behaviour isn't dating, it is political feminism, and the feminist-driven spread of defacto female quotas in many areas, subsidies for female-only activities and health issues, systematic breaking down of male-spaces by lawfare and shaming and political action, passing of unfair divorce laws etc. At some point, a real open fight by men against political feminism will be required if we are going to save ourselves from literal extinction due to low birthrate and collapse of the family. Most male commentators have absolutely shirked that fight so far, leaving the manosphere to whine about women's romantic expectations.
Good advice. But we have to think about how to balance it with the criticism of the church's "season of singleness" talk that seems designed to reconcile young people to growing old without ever hunting for a spouse. Your wife isn't going to drop out of the sky.
I think if your singleness is eating at you (and why wouldn't it be?), then by all means invest time and energy into productive behaviors with the aim of eventually finding a wife. But have other interests as well, and recognize the difference between productive wife-hunting and useless self-defeating behaviors, like dwelling on why it's so hard to find a good wife and how the deck is hopelessly stacked against you. Finding a good wife was a non-trivial challenge in the olden days as well (Proverbs 31:10: "Who can find a virtuous woman? For her price is far above rubies.") Aaron correctly identifies that online pity parties like MGTOW aren't worth wasting your time on.
Also agree with the value of finding men's spaces. Society has attacked them, but my life still revolves heavily around them. F3 remains an excellent men's space, and a great alternative to a gym, where IMO there's something unnatural produced by men and women sharing the space.
Off-topic: 1. "Caltech’s latest STEM breakthrough: Most of its new students are women"
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-08-27/caltech-long-male-bastion-to-enroll-majority-women-for-first-time
2. This map makes "lower Appalachia" (TN, KY) look great, along with FL and the Mountain West. NY/PA are almost all bad. Almost all of the Plains States from TX to ND are sharply divided - strong gains in some places, strong losses elsewhere.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/27/business/economy/jobs-election-county.html
That is very much on-topic. Caltech's displacement of men isn't an accident, it is due to feminist political action. Men need to step up and fight these women if we are to have a future.
Thanks for this. I'm not part of the manosphere, but this is a timely word for me as I've been wrestling with the whole dating and singleness thing lately.